Talk:Bottle of goofballs

Possible Item Name Change

I received this item with the name "bottle of goofballs" as opposed to just "goofballs". I checked the item number and it is the same as this, 879. I wasn't sure if this was new so I didn't change the page right away, just in case I had identified it wrong. --Greenozzy (talk) 16:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Point of Goofballs

Why would anyone in their right mind, knowing what goofballs do, take them? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hamha109 (talk • contribs) at 16:44, 3 June 2005 (CDT).

• To research them of course -- Lanz —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 23:12, 12 June 2005 (CDT).

• Take them before you ascend -- Crowther —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 14:32, 20 September 2005 (CDT).

Withdrawl

Q: If you take goofballs, and then don't adventure, do you go into withdrawal at reset? Or does it last until you use up the hopped up runs out? --Club —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 17:29, 20 September 2005 (CDT).

• You do not go into Withdrawal unless you use all of your Hopped Up. As an HCO TT, I held Hopped Up for nearly a week while banking adventures. Zaku 16:28, 22 Sep 2005 (MDT)

Use Message

As far as I know, there is no "use message" at all when u use a goofball... It just says: You acquire an effect: Hopped Up on Goofballs (duration: 10 Adventures) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hithere (talk • contribs) at 17:50, 8 November 2005 (CST).

• This is true. () I have updated the page.
  --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Godthemod2 (talk • contribs) at 14:34, 10 November 2005 (CST).

Stat loss magnitude?

It is stated that after using 7 bottles of Goofballs, you start permanently losing stats. What is the magnitude of the resulting stat losses (both on the 7th bottle and on subsequent uses)? --Quietust 10:41, 23 March 2006 (CST)

I have a question about this too: if you get the point of losing stats, and then ascend, will you still lose stats if you take more?--Someone Else 06:33, 2 May 2006 (CDT)

• Everything about goofballs is reset when you ascend. --Crowther 08:49, 2 May 2006 (CDT)

Looking at the massed data below the stat loss is a formula close to (N*2.5) to (N*5) where N == number of goofballs and N>6. --"Your reason is treason" - Kasabian (talk) 16:23, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I used thirteen of them and here are the results:

Use	Mus loss	Mys loss	Mox loss	Mean
1-6	0	0	0	0
7	21	26	23	23.3
8	24	23	29	25.3
9	25	29	27	27
10	28	42	41	37
11	48	37	31	38.7
12	43	38	36	39
13	40	51	55	48.7

This is very limited data and much more research is required, but it looks like the loss may be similar for every three used. Perhaps the first three (where stat loss occurs) the average loss per substat is 25, and then increases by X (10-13?) every three thereafter. Or perhaps it does increase with every use, but more substantially after every third. --TheDotGamer 18:20, 8 January 2007 (CST)

I just used 20 - here are my results: (starting as a Level 6 TT - non stat day - but that shouldn't matter)

Use	Mus loss	Mys loss	Mox loss	Mean
1-6	0	0	0	0
7	26	20	25	23.7
8	25	24	29	26
9	35	35	32	34
10	36	33	36	35
11	35	37	38	36.7
12	41	46	39	42
13	46	44	42	44
14	43	61	39	47.7
15	49	67	65	60.3
16	67	49	46	54
17	50	65	76	63.7
18	64	56	55	63.7
19	77	73	65	71.7
20	77	69	74	73.3

I'm going to take more and I'll keep adding to it. And at one point I'll probably even do the averages!

What's kind of funny is I ended up with 0 Moxie :).. heh -Holler 17:56, 2 March 2007 (CST)

I've done the averages for you. I notice that your data seem to change steadily, not in any noticeable blocks of 3. --Dogface 09:06, 12 May 2007 (CDT)

hmm from what we can see there numbers seem to spread quite a lot looks roughly like 2.5-4.5*number of goofballs per stat category to me. the upper bound there seems to have been met quite a bit, where the lower bound seems a couple of .1's off. Of course a much larger test set is required to be sure of anything (at the moment i think 2.77*nbr goofballs seems to be the lowest hit) but for a rough estimate of how much pain you will cause yourself its probably close enough --Ivanchecov 10:15, 13 May 2007 (CDT)

Use	Mus loss	Mys loss	Mox loss	Mean
7	24	26	22	24
8	26	24	28	26
9	30	25	34	29.7
10	38	32	36	35.4
11	42	48	46	45.3
12	53	50	51	51.4
13	43	53	38	44.7
14	53	45	49	49
15	53	51	57	53.7
16	45	45	63	51
17	56	64	54	58
18	76	74	55	68.4
19	67	83	76	75.4
20	89	91	81	87
21	86	74	71	77
22	68	85	75	76
23	90	97	80	89
24	69	93	83	81.7
25	87	109	85	84.7
26	82	115	79	92
27	126	126	127	126.4
28	90	136	90	105.4
29	135	142	94	123.7
30	99	112	111	107.4

More data! --TechSmurf 21:43, 18 December 2007 (CST)

This may be a bit off topic, but with this magnitude of stat loss, is it technically possible to do a 100% goofball run? Certainly it is possible to do a run where you take goofballs daily, but not always having the effect active. You could, perhaps, take loads at the start, when you can't go below 0 stats? Then coast the rest of the run?--Ekimekim 12:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Use	Mus loss	Mys loss	Mox loss	Mean
8	24	26	24	24.7
9	22	28	33	27.7
10	30	29	32	30.3
11	37	35	43	38.3
12	41	33	42	38.7
13	33	37	48	39.3
14	45	43	53	47.0
15	42	44	58	48.0
16	51	48	55	51.3
17	63	61	52	58.7
18	58	60	69	62.3
19	61	66	80	69.0
20	68	88	67	74.3
21	59	92	85	78.7
22	94	98	82	91.3

More data!

If the stat loss is between g*X and g*Y where g is the number of goofballs consumed, then X has a possible low of 2.75 considering all previous data, and Y has a possible high of 4.8965.... 2.5 to 5 might be possible. Taking all values into account, the average at each level (up to 20) is between 3.3 and 3.9, averaging 3.6., which is closer to the average between 2.5-5 than 2.75-5.

We need more data though. I would ask anyone else interested in helping spade this just do up to 20, and we'll compare from there.--Foggy 17:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Use	Mus loss	Mys loss	Mox loss
7	22	27	19
8	22	23	30
9	36	27	36
10	40	32	43
11	38	45	38
12	43	40	35
13	37	48	52
14	51	47	61
15	52	51	66
16	67	52	51
17	75	56	64
18	79	52	74
19	87	58	74
20	68	62	58

Use	Mus loss	Mys loss	Mox loss
7	20	21	20
8	26	23	29
9	28	36	32
10	27	41	29
11	34	40	38
12	35	40	38
13	58	39	47
14	44	50	45
15	62	51	63
16	60	52	51
17	53	54	54
18	62	58	83
19	54	63	76
20	93	90	70
21	69	73	63
22	90	91	100
23	80	104	74
24	104	71	100
25	107	115	81

To twenty as a DB done today:

Use	Mus loss	Mys loss	Mox loss
7	21	28	23
8	31	21	22
9	36	27	29
10	41	38	42
11	34	32	36
12	52	41	53
13	37	45	39
14	46	43	41
15	47	49	52
16	71	58	67
17	67	71	59
18	51	70	62
19	77	63	79
20	85	58	67

--Club (#66669) (Talk) 22:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

37 used as a level 18 Seal Clubber:

Use	Mus loss	Mys loss	Mox loss	Mean
7	18	26	20	21.33
8	23	30	33	28.67
9	33	24	29	28.67
10	32	29	38	33.00
11	39	37	38	38.00
12	41	47	52	46.67
13	57	48	53	52.67
14	53	51	46	50.00
15	57	47	53	52.33
16	53	49	72	58.00
17	51	55	68	58.00
18	74	79	56	69.67
19	72	75	64	70.33
20	66	91	57	71.33
21	82	66	91	79.67
22	94	78	78	83.33
23	107	92	84	94.33
24	93	95	112	100.00
25	99	100	83	94.00
26	113	100	84	99.00
27	92	124	80	98.67
28	101	92	99	97.33
29	128	88	86	100.67
30	122	120	121	121.00
31	134	92	96	107.33
32	118	99	98	105.00
33	125	126	98	116.33
34	110	136	148	131.33
35	125	111	160	132.00
36	106	150	159	138.33
37	112	109	166	129.00

--Orochidp 18:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Level 83 Pastamancer

Use	Mus loss	Mys loss	Mox loss	Mean
7	26	25	24	25
8	33	23	32	29.3
9	35	29	29	31
10	39	42	37	39.3
11	33	38	35	35.3
12	50	38	41	43
13	54	39	48	47
14	60	58	59	59
15	46	60	48	51.3
16	52	73	69	64.7
17	53	66	66	61.7
18	52	65	74	63.7
19	74	61	85	73.3
20	71	82	87	80
21	75	76	76	75.7
22	63	92	69	74.7
23	101	73	100	91.3
24	79	99	70	82.7
25	100	115	110	108.3
26	112	114	87	103.7
27	86	103	103	97.3
28	102	121	113	112
29	103	89	84	92
30	107	90	120	105.7

Rottingflesh 01:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Here's some more data:

7th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 19 Strengthliness. You lose 20 Enchantedness. You lose 22 Smarm.

8th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 33 Muscleboundness. You lose 31 Magicalness. You lose 30 Cheek.

9th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 34 Strongness. You lose 33 Mysteriousness. You lose 36 Chutzpah.

10th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 41 Strengthliness. You lose 39 Mysteriousness. You lose 43 Cheek.

11th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 46 Strengthliness. You lose 45 Magicalness. You lose 41 Roguishness.

12th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 35 Strongness. You lose 44 Enchantedness. You lose 40 Chutzpah.

13th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 58 Muscleboundness. You lose 51 Mysteriousness. You lose 37 Cheek.

14th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 53 Muscleboundness. You lose 51 Wizardliness. You lose 45 Sarcasm.

15th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 54 Strengthliness. You lose 46 Enchantedness. You lose 64 Chutzpah.

16th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 71 Strongness. You lose 62 Wizardliness. You lose 69 Sarcasm.

17th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 65 Strengthliness. You lose 73 Wizardliness. You lose 55 Chutzpah.

18th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 57 Strengthliness. You lose 51 Enchantedness. You lose 68 Cheek.

19th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 57 Strengthliness. You lose 76 Wizardliness. You lose 61 Sarcasm.

20th use: These things are bad for you... You lose 81 Fortitude. You lose 68 Wizardliness. You lose 74 Sarcasm.

Wrldwzrd89 20:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Use	Mus loss	Mys loss	Mox loss
7	22	22	28
8	28	29	32
9	38	25	37
10	32	29	29
11	41	41	39
12	41	53	53
13	52	55	51
14	39	46	42
15	47	56	44
16	70	58	72
17	59	48	68
18	68	70	60
19	55	69	55
20	57	85	57

--TechSmurf (talk) 05:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Compiled Data

Even more data! Also, compiling all the data so far:

Use	Min Loss	Max Loss	Estimated Range
7	18	28	17.25-35
8	21	33	20-40
9	22	37	22.5-45
10	27	42	25-50
11	30	48	27.5-55
12	33	53	30-60
13	33	58	32.5-65
14	41	61	35-70
15	42	66	37.5-75
16	45	72	40-80
17	51	75	42.5-85
18	51	83	45-90
19	54	87	47.5-95
20	57	93	50-100
21	59	92	52.5-105
22	78	100	55-110
23	74	107	57.5-115
24	69	112	60-120
25	81	115	62.25-125
26	79	115	65-130
27	80	127	67.5-135
28	90	136	70-140
29	86	142	72.5-145
30	99	122	75-150
31	92	134	77.5-155
32	98	118	80-160
33	98	126	82.5-165
34	110	148	85-170
35	111	160	87.5-175
36	106	159	90-180
37	109	166	92.5-185

This gets its own section so I can finding it. --TechSmurf 01:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Plural

Quite peculiar. I bought another goofballs item without using the first, and it seems that the plural is the same as it's singular. It follows the "sheep" rule in short. It should also be noted that when I try to fix this in the item metadata, it automatically changes to "Impossible to determine". Very odd, considering that you can indeed obtain more then one. Is there something I did wrong? Did I miss a minor detail? --Proto Fan 17:25, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

• Actually the method that you were using is invalid since it is impossible to determine the plural by buying them one at a time. It was never said that you couldn't obtain more then one but of all the known methods non of them will work on this item thus far. --Chunky_boo 17:40, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

Getting Rid of the Durn Things

So I got one without knowing what it was (freebie! woo), then asked about it on chat, and was told not to take it. But there seems to be no way to drop them or sell them. How do I get rid of them? Should I take them just before ascension just so they're no longer in my inventory? Or what? Kilyle 01:53, 3 December 2007 (CST)

• Just don't use them and you'll be fine. Stick 'em in your closet if you want to be safe. --CheezyBob 02:55, 3 December 2007 (CST)
• Stare at them until you give in to temptation. --Holler 10:28, 2 June 2008 (CDT)

Useful at the start of a run?

This may be a bit off topic, but with this magnitude of stat loss, is it technically possible to do a 100% goofball run? Certainly it is possible to do a run where you take goofballs daily, but not always having the effect active. You could, perhaps, take loads at the start, when you can't go below 0 stats? Then coast the rest of the run?--Ekimekim 12:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

^I read this and was intrigued. Has anyone tried using like 100 of these at the start of the run and then waiting 1 day before adventuring. Although it would cost you 4950000 meat, it would be pretty nice to have 1000 turns of 20% bonus moxie and muscle with no stat losses.--Qbr12 00:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

More data, cause why not

I just used a bunch to delevel myself so I could get the bonus level-13 karma after doing the battlefield the long way - figured I might as well add the results here, in case it's helpful, as the wiki doesn't seem to have an exact formula yet? (As a muscle class. Specifically, AoB.)

Use	Mus	Mys	Mox
7	23	25	27
8	26	28	30
9	28	28	25
10	37	30	34
11	44	36	40
12	57	47	39
13	39	47	37
14	46	51	63
15	70	66	51
16	57	56	72
17	82	75	52
18	73	68	61
19	60	59	73
20	74	90	93
21	83	81	93
22	80	81	77
23	78	84	80
24	123	87	111
25	88	77	115
26	135	109	76
27	103	111	107
28	123	121	94
29	98	86	96
30	100	89	124
31	142	102	114
32	108	95	135
33	156	138	135
34	168	116	110

--Neminem 06:35, 8 March 2012 (CET)

Use	Mus	Mys	Mox
50	195	148	257
49	165	199	290
48	181	233	233
47	178	172	276
46	138	155	235
45	217	148	210
44	156	181	162
43	153	128	205
42	166	143	203
41	194	138	218
40	121	121	212
39	119	134	142
38	154	122	149
37	122	110	143
36	165	139	159
35	139	115	153
34	113	138	162
33	153	130	178
32	138	108	176
31	141	125	185
30	124	103	159
29	108	92	164
28	85	106	122
27	112	87	154
26	78	85	125
25	113	91	94
24	96	83	103
23	85	102	98
22	103	82	84
21	61	75	109
20	59	68	90
19	66	60	92
18	69	54	80
17	59	74	73
16	62	70	62
15	52	49	56
14	57	52	53
13	45	36	52
12	42	35	62
11	45	42	53
10	39	28	35
9	36	27	47
8	25	23	38
7	26	27	31

Also, I enjoy the statloss, so any meat sent to me for the Goofball Spading Fund will go straight to my addiction. next hit costs 50k.--Alabit 23:48, 23 May 2012 (CEST)

Use	Mus	Mys	Mox
7	18	34	26
8	24	37	28
9	33	31	29
10	39	39	30
11	37	46	48
12	45	42	46
13	40	62	47
14	39	65	62
15	68	63	54
16	57	77	81
17	62	80	56
18	56	95	82
19	72	73	71
20	70	103	76
21	76	77	103
22	67	82	102
23	87	119	97
24	80	87	76
25	109	113	121
26	103	152	135
27	102	155	91
28	108	111	146
29	96	131	123
30	104	124	157
31	111	132	110
32	137	138	123
33	107	171	141
34	118	193	153
35	115	143	168
36	161	163	135
37	141	146	194
38	150	173	147
39	155	157	191
40	193	162	187
41	158	200	204
42	159	237	190
43	141	192	193
44	211	173	160
45	202	212	161
46	210	260	245
47	140	272	244
48	172	253	231
49	216	235	159
50	202	211	219

My data on level 34 Sauceror, on a Moxie day. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 23:24, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Starting at level 15, mainstat 215. Though looking at the previous numbers it's only based on amount used.

Use	Mus	Mys	Mox
7	23	20	18
8	26	37	27
9	29	39	33
10	28	37	33
11	41	53	39
12	51	56	44
13	56	47	41
14	41	46	45
15	45	47	66

--TechSmurf (talk) 21:34, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

More data, still

You lose 18 Muscleboundness. You lose 32 Enchantedness. You lose 32 Smarm.

You lose 31 Strengthliness. You lose 38 Enchantedness. You lose 57 Sarcasm.

You lose 33 Muscleboundness. You lose 42 Wizardliness. You lose 61 Roguishness.

You lose 34 Strongness. You lose 46 Enchantedness. You lose 59 Chutzpah.

You lose 33 Strengthliness. You lose 47 Mysteriousness. You lose 63 Sarcasm.

You lose 33 Fortitude. You lose 44 Mysteriousness. You lose 96 Roguishness.

You lose 50 Strengthliness. You lose 63 Mysteriousness. You lose 98 Smarm.

You lose 47 Fortitude. You lose 63 Enchantedness. You lose 83 Cheek.

You lose 56 Muscleboundness. You lose 75 Wizardliness. You lose 112 Sarcasm.

You lose 51 Strongness. You lose 59 Enchantedness. You lose 131 Cheek

You lose 73 Muscleboundness. You lose 82 Enchantedness. You lose 101 Smarm.

You lose 67 Muscleboundness. You lose 71 Magicalness. You lose 108 Sarcasm.

You lose 86 Muscleboundness. You lose 73 Magicalness. You lose 118 Chutzpah.

You lose 69 Fortitude. You lose 87 Magicalness. You lose 159 Roguishness.

You lose 65 Fortitude. You lose 100 Wizardliness. You lose 168 Roguishness.

You lose 82 Strongness. You lose 113 Magicalness. You lose 130 Chutzpah.

You lose 84 Strongness. You lose 105 Mysteriousness. You lose 144 Roguishness.

You lose 103 Fortitude. You lose 89 Enchantedness. You lose 122 Roguishness.

You lose 84 Strongness. You lose 103 Mysteriousness. You lose 202 Cheek.

You lose 125 Strengthliness. You lose 105 Mysteriousness. You lose 175 Cheek.

You lose 121 Beefiness. You lose 104 Wizardliness. You lose 222 Cheek.

You lose 126 Beefiness. You lose 111 Wizardliness. You lose 182 Smarm.

two waning crescents (moxie day) level 32 sauceror, 1291 main stat, wallaby. --Evilkolbot (talk) 22:51, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

You lose 30 Strongness. You lose 21 Magicalness. You lose 29 Roguishness.

You lose 29 Beefiness. You lose 31 Mysteriousness. You lose 27 Cheek.

You lose 29 Beefiness. You lose 40 Magicalness. You lose 38 Cheek.

You lose 50 Fortitude. You lose 44 Wizardliness. You lose 42 Roguishness.

You lose 56 Beefiness. You lose 47 Wizardliness. You lose 54 Smarm.

You lose 47 Beefiness. You lose 49 Mysteriousness. You lose 54 Smarm.

You lose 63 Beefiness. You lose 45 Enchantedness. You lose 70 Smarm.

You lose 56 Strongness. You lose 48 Wizardliness. You lose 63 Cheek.

You lose 72 Strongness. You lose 55 Enchantedness. You lose 84 Cheek.

You lose 72 Beefiness. You lose 59 Wizardliness. You lose 94 Chutzpah.

You lose 67 Fortitude. You lose 51 Mysteriousness. You lose 82 Sarcasm.

You lose 63 Strengthliness. You lose 53 Enchantedness. You lose 69 Chutzpah.

Same day as above, level 42 seal clubber, 1701 main stat, mongoose. --Agent Orangey (talk) 00:25, 7 February 2017 (UTC)