Hello, Wikkans. I'm working at making this page a hell of a lot more informative. I'm basing the revision largely on the Cocktailcrafting page, hoping to be even more useful and usable. One idea is to make the Cooking page itself just an overview of a manageable size (featuring just a list of food and ingredients in categories), with more in-depth explorations and numerical charts relegated to Cooking strategy.
I open the discussion for two purposes. First, I would obviously like input from the KoL community on exactly what would make the pages spectacularly useful. Or also if I'm barking up the wrong tree, and in-depth, well-organized cooking and eating information is already available on a page I haven't found.
And secondly, the new pages are only so useful if the individual item pages have inaccurate info on them -- which many do. Most notably, missing or wrong fullness data. I invite one and all to embark with me on a campaign to fill out incomplete data, correct incorrect data, and force all food and cooking items to conform to the Proposed Standards, especially for Eat Effects.
Changes will begin to appear as they approach some semblance of completion.
Awaiting your enthusiasm or jeers, --PaperWhiteMaskOfEvil 15:23, 20 Sep 2005 (Central Daylight Time)
Best uses of dry noodles?
I disagree that sauced up pastas are the best dishes. They provide fewer adventures/stats per fullness than chow meins. Plus, 5 fullness chow meins fit nicely into 15 fullness per day, but you can only eat two of these special sauce/pasta dishes, plus a dinky 3-fullness dish. Just my 2c. --Eis271828 16:29, 03 Oct 2005 (Central Daylight Time)
- You make a good point, so I toned down the descriptions. I'll save more detailed discussion of the issue for Cooking strategy. However, I will mention that I consider the 6 fullness of the saucecrafting pastas to be an asset, odd as that sounds: It means you get well-fed from two dry noodles instead of three. Insanely spicy burritos make a good dessert, or key lime pies if you're hard up for seasonings. And I'll head off any rebuttal by admitting that I haven't yet crunched the numbers to see if that strategy completely holds water. --PaperWhiteMaskOfEvil 17:26, 3 Oct 2005 (MDT)
- You can only make 3 bunches of dried noodles a day. Might as well use them. Or they're readily available in the kitches. Getting full isn't inherently good, either. The point is getting adventures and stats. But, this is a minor strategy point. I guess this could be abstracted...do we want strategy in eating to be in this article? Eh, I think it fits, actually. --Eis271828 12:33, 04 Oct 2005 (Central Daylight Time)
- No, in my mind, this is not the page. That's why I started Cooking strategy, although it hasn't gotten far yet. This page was intended as more of a quick overview of what you can do, with little mention of why you would want to. The strategy page will (eventually) discuss in depth the merits of three chow meins vs. two saucy pastas and an extra dish to sell, and all kinds of other things. And your input will be very valuable!
Note: I eat mostly chowmeins, they have 3-5 fullness (I have tested these numbers over 5 teetlator ascensions) depending on which one you eat.
tofu = 3 fullness (5 pre stomach of steel (SoS), 6 Post SoS)
pr0n = 4 fullness (3 pre SoS, 5 post SoS)
bat wing = 5 fullness (3 pre SoS, 4 post SoS)
rat appendix = 5 fullness (3 pre SoS, 4 post SoS)
knob sausage = 5 fullness (3 pre SoS, 4 post Sos)
PaperWhiteMaskOfEvil, nice work! What do you think about a section for nonfood cooked items like Kentucky-fried weapons, spooky glove, pregnant mushroom, unwound clockwork grapefruit, ghost pickle on a stick? --Gymnosophist 21:00, 3 Oct 2005 (MDT)
- Thanks, Gymnosophist! Currently that kind of stuff goes in the Special Accomplishments section, along with trophies, tiny plastic stuff, etc. (Some of it's already there, some of it hadn't occurred to me yet.) I can imagine it getting a little unwieldy and in need of better organization by the time it's complete. Do you have a scheme in mind? --PaperWhiteMaskOfEvil 08:49, 4 Oct 2005 (MDT)
On stir fry
From the article:
There are two stages of stir-fries. Vegetable stir-fries are a raw vegetable cooked with the secret blend of herbs and spices. Meat stir-fries are a vegetable stir-fry with some sort of meat or meat substitute added. Stir-fries yield a variety of fullnesses and substat gains. Adding dry noodles to a meat stir-fry will result in a chow mein, which means only Pastamasters can make them. These are arguably the best non-rare foods available, although the pastas that require both Pastamastery and Advanced Saucecrafting are also very impressive. Needs total confirmation: All chow meins yield 4 or 5 fullness and impressive gains to one or more substats.
- The tofu chow mein is only 3 fullness.
- The pr0n chow mein only gives 7.0 stats/fullness (other chow meins give 14.5 or 15.0)
- Delcious spciy noodles gives 10.3 stats/fullness (compare with above pr0n chow mein)
I believe this would be best written as:
A chow mein starts out as a secret blend of herbs and spices combined with some item to make a vegetable stir fry, and then combined with a meat item to make the second level stir fry. This second stir fry is then cooked with dry noodles to make a chow mein. The three best known chow meins are the rat appendix chow mein, bat wing chow mein and knob sausage chow mein which provide up to 75 points in a given stat for 5 fullness. Tofu chow mein and pr0n chow mein spread their points between two stats. Pr0n chow mein provides only half the stats that the others do when compared for fullness and is unique in that the vegetable stir fry can be purchased.
--Shagie 03:16, 21 November 2005 (Central Standard Time)
So what are the new recipes? I believe "Spaghetti with Rock Sauce" is one. Quadell 09:14, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
Nope, that's part of the recipe for the Epic Weapon of the Pastamancer. But I too am curious about the new recipes...anyone know them yet?--Froggy7384 23:06, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
I found one: black pepper + long pork = long pork chop sandwiches. --Meagen 12:12, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
Revision of Page
This page doesn't represent what cooking does in the game. I believe this page should be changed to show all cooking recipe's regardless of how useful it is (we have the cooking strategy page for that). Also anything that involves food but not cooking should be removed from this page. For example, there is information on this page about trophies from eating ghuol ghoulash, which doesn't require any cooking. --Warjunkie 00:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
The Cocktailcrafting page looks nice and organized. Let's steal their format.--JohnAnon 06:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I've created a draft version of a new format at User:Toffile/Cooking. I would consider maybe moving most of the current information to something like Food (currently a redirect to the category) or something.--Toffile 02:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- So. This page. It's huge. It's unwieldy. It's largely obsoleted by the Cooking Discoveries page. It doesn't have intuitive headings like Pastamastery or Saucecrafting. It even contains a sizeable list of things which "cannot be cooked into other recipes, nor can they be created through cooking" fercryingoutloud!
- Is the above-mentioned work on reorganising the page still happening? I see that Toffile's draft page no longer exists, and the page hasn't been meaningfully updated since before the advent of Discoveries.
- I'm willing to take this one on as a project - I did the big revamp of the Drinks By Ingredient page last year, so take that as my resumé for good or ill. One thing I did learn from that page is that it was simply too big, and desperately needed (still needs) breaking out by section; cooking as a subject is even bigger. I'd personally like to use sub-pages for that, but since they don't seem to be used on this wiki I'll take that to Discussion instead.
- Opinions please? As to the actual content, I'll get a draft/proof-of-concept under my user space in the next day or so for comments. --GalenKemensen 00:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Turns out damn near everything currently on the page is superfluous to the actual subject and/or repeated elsewhere. I've hand-checked all the listed foods and recipes against the Cooking Discoveries page, and there's nothing that needs to be noted here that isn't already listed there. Non-cooking-related notes about food and consumption should be moved to the Food page IMHO.
- Draft version of my rewrite is up at User:GalenKemensen/Drafts/Cooking. I've ruthlessly taken out all the information that doesn't need to be in there, and replaced it with links to the relevant content. Comments please! I'll leave the draft there until the end of this week, and then edit the real article to match if there have been no major objections.
- I haven't yet edited Food to transplant the information that's currently in this page, but I'll do that as and when the cooking rewrite goes live.
- --GalenKemensen 13:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Noticed the "Go buy something from the market" message when I tried to cook a Boris's key lime pie with only my Oven. I wasn't sure how to make the formatting exact; the whole text block is centered, but the shorter "Maybe check out..." line is left justified within the text block so it starts at the same point as "You need a more advanced...". Also, the word Market (which is bolded in game) is a link that takes you to The Market; I considered making it a link in here to go to the market's page, but that makes it blue. Might still be worth doing. --Terion 20:31, 26 February 2012 (CET)