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Overhaul

So the overhaul on Aug 30th has made the following changes (so far observed):

1) The interface has changed, with "The Shore, Inc" having the (3) after to indicate adventure cost.

2) The options are presented as buttons, rather than radio button selectors, with an "Exit through the gift shop" option.

3) Taking a vacation does not produce the normal images any longer, and also gives the "You lost 3 Adventures" and "You spend 500 meat" messages. Each trip also gives a "Shore Inc. Ship Trip Scrip."

4) The "Gift Shop" is a store, run by "Terrence," who says "Welcome to The Gift Shop, Inc. My name is Terrence. May I help you?" Terrence sells a gift crate for each adventure zone, the Meat Globe, Dinghy Plans, and Fuzzy Dice. Each crate sells for 1 Shore Inc Ship Trip Scrip, the Meat Globe sells for 1, the Dingy Dinghy plans for 3, and the Fuzzy Dice for 5. The Cheap Toaster is notably lacking from this list...may be no longer obtainable. From the store, the link on the bottom of the page says "Exit to The Desert Beach."

5) The Meat Globe can be purchased multiple times. It is now placed on the Nightstand on first use. The message at the campsite says: " Meat Globe Your Meat Globe will magically line your pockets with Meat while you sleep." Subsequent uses apparently yielding the same effect as the Meat Globe originally had (though stat gains on my lvl 15 Turtle Tamer, mainstat 213, were only 30-3, meat gain 660).

6) Spading the Distant Lands Dude Ranch crate: First: You acquire 2 bottles of whiskey You acquire 3 coconut shells You acquire an item: stick of dynamite

Second: 2 bottles of whiskey 2 coconut shells 2 sticks of dynamite

Third: same as 2nd

Further uses indicate that the bottle of whiskey, coconut shell, and stick of dynamite drops are all 1-3.

7) The text messages for the adventures seem unchanged, even though the yields are normalized (e.g. the text that used to yield 3 coconut shells is still the same Monty Python reference, without any indication of what provides the strength boost). So far, of 15 Dude Ranch trips, none have yielded Anticheese. None of ~12 Dude Ranch Souvenir crates provided an Anticheese either. Uncertain how this is now obtained.

8 and lastly) Ten-leaf clovers had no effect and were not consumed, either on the vacation or when opening the crate.--Lukarnis (talk) 22:42, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • So the question I have is, how is anticheese obtained now? Has anyone gotten any since the overhaul? It doesn't seem to be in the normal adventures (though with its excessively low drop rate, it could just be unfortunate RNG during my somewhat limited spading)...and it doesn't seem to drop in the souvenir crates (again, RNG).

Also, how have these changes affected shirt drops?--Lukarnis (talk) 08:13, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Is the Shore profitable? - sepharoth

Maybe. 70% of vacations are stat gaining adventures, so 30% are non-stat gaining. As far as I know, the Dude Ranch adventure is kind-of profitable. there are 3 item-gaining adventures, so 10-leaf clover is 10% of the time, coconut shell is 10%, and anti-cheese is 10%. Let's say you go on 10 vacations. Theoretically, you would get 1 ten-leaf clover, 3- coconut shells, 1 anticheese, and 7 stat gaining adventures, costing 5000 meat. You can sell the clover for 3750 meat, the coconut shells for about 1000 meat each, anticheese for about 500 meat (I think), so you would get a profit of 1750 meat, for 30 adventures. Not worth it, compared to farming in the castle, unless you want high stat gains to go with it. I'm not sure how much the items from the other locations cost, so I can't tell you much about that. --Coolguy00001 (t|c) 10:57, 18 February 2007 (CST)

Hardcore run, DB, level 11 10 runs per day for as long as I can afford it or until 100 trials.

Feb 10, Mox 134 (115) : An eXtreme Vacation - You gain 52 Smarm. / A Moot Adventure - You gain 49 Smarm. / This mountain is pure snow! - You gain 47 Smarm. / This mountain is pure snow! - You gain 55 Chutzpah. / Mox 135 (116) / An Abominable Encounter - You acquire 2 abominable snowcones. You gain 445 Meat. / A Moot Adventure - You gain 52 Sarcasm. / A Moot Adventure - You gain 65 Sarcasm. / An eXtreme Vacation - You gain 66 Roguishness. / Wired at the Ski Resort - You acquire an item: barbed-wire fence / A Moot Adventure - You gain 56 Roguishness. / Mox 136 (117) --RyokoYahagi 12:23, 10 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

Feb 11, mox 141 (120) A Moot Adventure - You gain 58 Roguishness. / A Moot Adventure - You gain 50 Roguishness. / mox 142 (121) / This mountain is pure snow! - You gain 53 Smarm. / A Moot Adventure - You gain 60 Sarcasm. / Wired at the Ski Resort - You acquire an item: barbed-wire fence / An eXtreme Vacation - You gain 53 Roguishness. / A Moot Adventure - You gain 53 Chutzpah. / mox 143 (122) / This mountain is pure snow! - You gain 63 Chutzpah. / Wired at the Ski Resort - You acquire an item: barbed-wire fence / The Dinner Party - You gain 60 Chutzpah.

Feb 12, mox 145 (124) Wired at the Ski Resort - You acquire an item: barbed-wire fence / The Dinner Party - You gain 41 Smarm. / Wired at the Ski Resort - You acquire an item: barbed-wire fence / An eXtreme Vacation - You gain 56 Smarm. / Wired at the Ski Resort - You acquire an item: barbed-wire fence / An Abominable Encounter - You acquire 2 abominable snowcones. You gain 361 Meat. / Wired at the Ski Resort - You acquire an item: barbed-wire fence / The Dinner Party - You gain 59 Smarm. / mox 146 (125) / This mountain is pure snow! - You gain 38 Smarm. / This mountain is pure snow! - You gain 62 Sarcasm.

Feb 13, lvl 12 mox 149 (128) : An Abominable Encounter - You acquire 2 abominable snowcones. You gain 313 Meat. / An Abominable Encounter - You acquire 2 abominable snowcones. You gain 355 Meat. / An eXtreme Vacation - You gain 56 Cheek. / A Lucky Break - You gain 59 Smarm. You acquire an item: cast / A Sappy Vacation - You acquire 3 handfuls of magical ice cubes / An Abominable Encounter - You acquire 2 abominable snowcones. You gain 449 Meat. / A Moot Adventure - You gain 64 Sarcasm. / mox 150 (129) : An eXtreme Vacation - You gain 71 Cheek. / An Abominable Encounter - You acquire 2 abominable snowcones. You gain 375 Meat. / A Moot Adventure - You gain 49 Chutzpah. --RyokoYahagi 00:22, 13 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

Feb 14, lvl 12 mox 150 (134) : This mountain is pure snow! - You gain 56 Roguishness. / mox 151 (135) : The Dinner Party - You gain 58 Roguishness. / A Sappy Vacation - You acquire 3 handfuls of magical ice cubes / A Moot Adventure - You gain 67 Smarm. / A Sappy Vacation - You acquire 3 handfuls of magical ice cubes / A Moot Adventure - You gain 60 Chutzpah. / The Dinner Party - You gain 59 Sarcasm. / The Dinner Party - You gain 50 Roguishness. / mox 152 (136) : A Sappy Vacation - You acquire 3 handfuls of magical ice cubes / An eXtreme Vacation - You gain 72 Smarm.

Feb 15, lvl 12 mox 152 (136) : A Sappy Vacation - You acquire 3 handfuls of magical ice cubes / A Moot Adventure - You gain 59 Cheek. / This mountain is pure snow! - - You gain 63 Chutzpah. / mox 153 (137) : A Licky Boom Boom Down - You acquire an item: souvenir ski t-shirt / This mountain is pure snow! - You gain 78 Sarcasm. / A Lucky Break - You gain 72 Chutzpah. You acquire an item: cast / An Abominable Encounter - You acquire 2 abominable snowcones You gain 362 Meat. / An Abominable Encounter - You acquire 2 abominable snowcones You gain 304 Meat. / The Dinner Party - You gain 58 Roguishness. / An Abominable Encounter - You acquire 2 abominable snowcones You gain 400 Meat. / --RyokoYahagi 17:35, 15 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

Feb 16, lvl 12 mox 158 (140) : A Lucky Break - You gain 62 Smarm. You acquire an item: cast / An eXtreme Vacation - You gain 76 Chutzpah. / An eXtreme Vacation - You gain 70 Sarcasm. / mox 159 (141) : Wired at the Ski Resort - You acquire an item: barbed-wire fence / A Lucky Break - You gain 85 Cheek. You acquire an item: cast / A Moot Adventure - You gain 61 Chutzpah. / The Dinner Party - You gain 65 Roguishness. / This mountain is pure snow! - You gain 81 Chutzpah. / mox 160 (142) : A Sappy Vacation - You acquire 3 handfuls of magical ice cubes / A Lucky Break - You gain 63 Cheek. You acquire an item: cast --RyokoYahagi 11:04, 16 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

  • Is the amount of moxie you receive based on level, base moxie, buffed moxie? It seems to be about .4-.6 substat gained per Moxie point, but we need more data. Please record your level, base Moxie, buffed moxie, and substat points gained. Maybe someone could whip up a table, maybe?--Mustard 10:42, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
    • The amount of substats you receive is based on your raw mainstat (regardless of which stat you are receiving). I will post a few thousand trips' worth of info when I get home. This has been well known for a while, I'm surprised it's not here on the Wiki already. --Hellion 17:09, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

data for the shore

okay, so it's only 900 trips' worth (muscle trips)... 

unladen buzzard (coconut)	90
give 'em enough rope (stat)	146
in the desert (stat)	        114
man down at the hoedown (stat)	118
roadblocker (stat)	        128
testing grounds (anticheese)	95
luckiest vacation ever (clover) 87
the reckonin' (stat)	        122
total	                        900
total non-stat	                272
total non-stat ratio:	        0.302222222
Total stat ratio:	        0.697777778

So here's another 5000+ trips' worth (moxie trips), courtesy of RetroFrog (on a character with Torso Awaregness): 

Encounter	Count	Percentile
a licky boom boom down	118	2.22%
an abominable encounter	455	8.56%
a sappy vacation	473	8.90%
wired at the ski resort	475	8.94%
a lucky break	        763	14.36%
the dinner party	758	14.27%
a moot adventure	728	13.70%
an extreme vacation	760	14.30%
this mountain is pure snow	783	14.74%
total trips	        5313	
total stat trips	3792	
stat ratio	        0.713721062

Reference for the Muscle vacation?

I thought the name or adventures could be based of the nickalodeon show Hey Dude, I didn't put too much thought or time into it. So incase someone wanted to check it out. (I know about dude ranches so please dont bring that up)--Ice Jedi5 17:47, 7 September 2006 (CDT)--

Actually I'm more than positive that the Distant Lands Dude Ranch Adventure location is a reference to the Blink 182 album, Dude Ranch. And if you think about it, there are a fair amount of Blink 182 references in KoL--Coolness 14:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC).

Meat Drops

When I took a vacation at the Large Donkey Mountain Ski Resort, as well as two abominable snow cones, I received 304 meat. I noticed that the wiki didn't have meat drops listed so I reported it here. It probably changed with NS13, however, being near the stort of an oxycore run, I am currently broke and cannot check more.--Dfinlay 18:50, 17 July 2007 (CDT)

  • Yeah, I noticed that too. I think i got over 400 meat from that.--RPGMarker35 18:55, 17 July 2007 (CDT)

Stat Days

Does anyone know if the stat gains are affected by stat days?--Gnomesquid 19:25, 15 November 2007 (CST)

Every 30?

Is there further verification on the spacing of 30 adventures between runs equaling a combat item? On a current Bad Moon run, my first shore trip was on turn 319 three turns so that should end on 321. My next was on 352 ended on 354. Both turned out for stats, and the second one was Roadblocker, not Bang for dynamite. --Kaelis 08:52, 12 July 2008 (CDT)

  • Are you adventuring in places that don't call adventure.php/shore.php? Or cooking/tending/smithing? I recall reading something to the effect that that would affect the counter, but I haven't kept careful track myself. --Bagatelle 12:41, 12 July 2008 (CDT)
    • The adventure progression went 319-321 Shore for Muscle, 322-323(2 adventures) Beanbats for beans, which were cooked into burritos, but with a chef so no adventures, 324-325 Elbow(2 adventures), 326-331 Heart(6 adventures), 332-333 Beanbat(2 adventures), 334-335 Heart(2 adventures), 336-351 Neck(16 adventures). That appears to be 30 adventures exactly, and to my knowledge, all those areas use adventure.php. The Shore trip was taken on 352-354, also for muscle. Perhaps it has to be for a different stat? --Kaelis 07:13, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
      • The original spading thread doesn't have a whole lot of logs, but it looks like they have examples of consecutive same-stat items. There's even a post with different-stat gaps which failed, so maybe it's probabilistic depending on the size of the gap. You may be better of at this point doing some digging yourself or asking the original finders in the AFH thread. --Bagatelle 14:22, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
        • It might also be an example of where a mechanic changes in BM. I would be surprised if they actually made it harder to get these items in bad moon, given how they've generally tried NOT to screw you out of ascension-necessary items in BM, but I suppose it's possible. --Flargen 14:31, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
          • I just did the obligatory 5 shore trips (one after the other) to receive the dingy plans in a BM ascension. In those 5 trips I received 2 anticheese, 2 sticks of dynamite and 1 stat adventure. It's probably all down to the RNG, but it does suggest that BM shore trips are no worse than non-BM ones.--Thumbtack 13:42, 20 July 2008 (CDT)
            • The wiki is currently inconsistent on this point. This page says that at least 35 turns are required for a tower item to drop, but the pages for the relevant adventures say that only 30 turns are required, and that also seems to be the consensus above. Should this page be amended? --Somesuch (talk) 10:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Did You Know

Did you know that in the HTML the vacation choices are numbered 1, 2, and 3 (in the obvious order), but if through remote forms you use other numbers, you "vacation" using adventures and meat, but go no where? And those no where vacations count for Boat trophies? I wonder how those work with the forged identity documents. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 05:03, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Resetting counter?

"This counter is reset if you happen to obtain another tower item before 35 adventures is up."

Wait what? Is this any tower item? The rest of the paragraph says that it's 35 since your last shore trip, so shore tower items don't make sense. --Raijinili 13:00, 23 January 2012 (CET)

  • At most, there are 35 adventures between getting one of (( stick of dynamite | tropical orchid | barbed-wire fence )) if you vacation. Let's say you are going for a boat trophy and just vacationing constantly. If you get a tower item on vacation number 50, then the next 7 vacations (35 adv) will be random results, and if none of them were tower items, vacation 58 will be a tower item. I can't vouch for it's accuracy, but that's what the text is saying. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 19:24, 23 January 2012 (CET)
    • That contradicts the earlier statement that shoring at all resets the counter. The paragraph has a problem. --Raijinili 15:13, 24 January 2012 (CET)
      • As I understand it, shoring does not reset the counter unless the counter has expired (at which point the shore trip should yield a tower item). I've updated the page to reflect this. Club explained it correctly, though I can't say I've actually verified it either. It is how the automatic tracker in KoLmafia tracks shore vacations, and whenever I follow that I get a tower item. --timrem 17:59, 24 January 2012 (CET)

2013 Overhaul

I removed the following text from the page, because I suspect they are not true anymore:

  • One of few areas that can be adventured at with zero HP.
  • On average, you will receive a stat-gaining trip approximately 70% of the time.
  • If you have Torso Awaregness, you will receive a shirt trip approximately 2% of the time.
  • Tower combat items will always drop if at least 35 turns have been expended since the last shore trip which yielded a tower item. This counter is not set until the first shore trip of an ascension, which sets the counter to 35 regardless of which trip is received. This counter is reset if you happen to obtain another tower item before 35 adventures is up.

--Lxndr (talk) 02:28, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Stat gain spading (2014)

Nobody seems to know how much stats you get from the shore now for the past 9 months, so I did some spading. 20 trips at each place with a Disco Bandit multi. Not a stat day, moon sign was The Packrat (+10% moxie gains). Unbuffed stats when starting were Mus 590, Mys 593, Mox 903.

Mus trip: 418,505,519,378,473,552,475,408,526,553,437,481,581,495,637,444,522,494,525,459

Mys trip: 493,499,627,504,508,476,589,577,538,542,616,560,538,523,559,427,443,542,434,476

Mox trip: 479,462,595,530,570,461,531,548,565,613,532,675,529,426,679,698,563,450,686,543

If we take off the 10% from the moxie trips, the three averages are 494.1, 523.6 and 501.1. Overall average 506.2. Of course my base moxie was increasing when doing moxie trips. End result: Roughly 56% of base mainstat, probably closer to 55% if you take into account gains in mainstat.

That's not a huge data set, but it's better than nothing. --Melon (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

So that last data was with a level 30/31 multi, now lets try a low level one. Unfortunately in order to fund the shore trips, this multi had to use the meat globes which kept raising my main stat, so data is smaller, and also the large stat gains resulted in some very large gains while collecting this data so there's very few data points at a particular stat. This was with a Seal Clubber with a +10% muscle gains moon sign.
At stats of Mus 18, Mys 13, Mox 10: Mox trip 31,32,21 (av. 28)
At stats of Mus 20, Mys 16, Mox 15: Mus trip 36,40,39,33 (av. 39.5)
At stats of Mus 26, Mys 19, Mox 19: Mox trip 37,40,43,34,31 (av. 37)
At stats of Mus 29, Mys 23, Mox 27: Mys trip 45,33,46,33,33,33,42 (av. 37.9)
At stats of Mus 33, Mys 31, Mox 30: Mus trip 51,42,37,50,57,53,49,50,46,47 (av. 48.2)
At stats of Mus 43, Mys 36, Mox 35: Mox trip 43,50,46,39,36,37,45,33,49,42,46,45,46 (av. 42.8)
This data is a bit messy thanks to the meat globes levelling me up, but it's clearly not as simple as I was hoping it would be (something like a minimum gain of 30 or whatever). It appears to quite clearly be scaling up, but at an increasingly reduced rate. --Melon (talk) 21:54, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
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