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Let's Brew!

You seem to have removed my work on matching the HTML for the wiki on Let's Brew!. I followed the HTML to simulate the game as much as possible. While your method is much cleaner, it is less accurate than my way. Personally, I'd like to have all stores follow KoL's HTML. — Cool12309 (talk) 22:15, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

  • Some things we duplicate game code on, others we let wiki code take over (such as links which exist on game text; unless altering the normal wiki formatting of links is necessary to preserve a 'joke' of some sort, then we just use wiki formatting). For getting tables and stuff aligned correctly we usually try to duplicate the game HTML, using wiki table mark-up and templates when possible. I think there are a few old things that need updating in that regard (I think combat use items don't align images and text correctly, especially when the use text is long; the template centers the image over everything, but I think the game just aligns it to the center of the first line). --Flargen (talk)

Image updating/reverting

None of us seem to understand how to properly update/revert images, which is resulting a great deal of confusion with the images for the Hatred and Violence outfit images (such as Vio buckle.gif). Originally they were unanimated, but now they are animated, and every time someone has tried to update to the animated version it ends up (apparently) as unanimated, but version history shows the prior image as actually having been animated. I vaguely remember once upon a time you knew why images were weird and how not to be a goofball with them, and we could certainly use some of that right about now. --Flargen (talk)

Dwarf Fortress Wiki

Assuming this is you: A recent block seems to have been a bit too far-reaching:

Your IP address has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, 
who was blocked by Quietust. The reason given is this:
   Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Baosfor1318". 
The reason given for Baosfor1318's block is: "Spamming links to external sites"
   Start of block: 20:58, 20 February 2012
   Expiry of block: 20:58, 21 February 2012
   Intended blockee:
You may contact Quietust or one of the other administrators to discuss the block.
Your current IP address is, and the block ID is #6887.

Sorry for contacting you here about it, but with being blocked there and your email being disabled, I wasn't sure how else to reach you. I'm not sure why 192.168.x.x is showing up under IP, since that's reserved for local networks... I'm guessing it's not just me who's affected, as there have been no edits since your block except by admins. Just wanted to let you know. --timrem (Timrem) 01:43, 21 February 2012 (CET)

  • It's apparently a bug with the way the wiki is set up - Emi and Briess are aware of the problem and attempting to fix it. --Quietust (t|c) 03:24, 21 February 2012 (CET)

Skills Template

You might want to run the bot to change all the non-passives from effect to explain. The passive skills are all going to eventually get blue text including the ones currently missing it, per Jick.--Toffile 21:28, 25 January 2012 (CET)

  • Currently in progress - as it changes effect->explain, I'm going through and replacing the explain lines with effect lines for skills that actually have them. --Quietust (t|c) 22:06, 25 January 2012 (CET)
    • The bot broke the skill pages that use the acquireEffect template when it went through.--Toffile 03:27, 27 January 2012 (CET)
      • Whoops - should've had it match "^|effect=" rather than just "|effect="; all of the affected pages should be fixed now. --Quietust (t|c) 06:02, 27 January 2012 (CET)


Heh. I just had to figure out the issue yesterday on Wikia. I used "sorttable" from this wiki because that was the example I knew, and had to dig to find that Wikia had "sortable" (as in, a table that was sortable), which is apparently the official MediaWiki class name. Think there needs to be a rewrite?

By the way, why not use = for your comments sections instead of ==? --Raijinili 15:17, 24 January 2012 (CET)

  • Apparently, the reason this wiki uses "sorttable" is because "sortable" doesn't work in certain cases - it has trouble with various types of numbers, and it completely breaks if the table uses rowspan or colspan. Unfortunately, we seemingly can't directly replace the builtin "sortable" javascript, so instead we added a duplicate copy that triggered on "sorttable" and modified it to suit our purposes. There's a bunch of old archived discussion here and here with all of the details. --Quietust (t|c) 21:59, 24 January 2012 (CET)


i'm seeing red links for the wikipedia interwiki links. clicking the links opens an internal edit page, too. any ideas? --Evilkolbot 23:36, 22 December 2011 (CET)

  • I just had Mag apply some updates to the wiki's database to fix some structural problems (namely, the ones that were preventing characters like "Ō" from working in page names), and it may have broken some other things (in fact, I know that it's broken all of the other pages with special characters in their names, such as Chez Snootee and Pokemanns). Presumably, the interwiki table got broken in the process - I'll see about getting it fixed. --Quietust (t|c) 23:48, 22 December 2011 (CET)
    • The interwiki table just needed to be updated - the contents of the 'prefix' column were capitalized when they should've been in all lowercase. Should be fixed now. --Quietust (t|c) 05:52, 23 December 2011 (CET)

Spam Pages + Deletion

I'll admit that noting Spam pages on TheKolWiki:Pages for deletion is probably overkill, but is there a better way of tagging them? --Doucy 14:17, 23 November 2011 (CET)

  • as Quietust pointed out, spam pages don't need to be tagged, they'll be deleted as soon as someone sees them. in the meantime you can remove the content, remembering to clear the comment box of the deleted text. the current spam appears to be link farming so the less time it's on the wiki the better. --Evilkolbot 16:33, 23 November 2011 (CET)
  • What EKB said. If you find a page that's managed to go undeleted for several days (rarely happens, but there was at least one instance), you can mention it on Thekolwiki:Pages for deletion. --Flargen 22:53, 23 November 2011 (CET)
    • Grand, I'll do that in future then! Thanks for the clarification :) --Doucy 12:30, 24 November 2011 (CET)

Standards update?

Hi Quietust. I'm new to the wiki, and am spading the boot pastes to try and get a more accurate read on the adv & stat gains. I noticed in the "established standards" a bunch of warnings about taking into account moon sign and other factors for foods. Could you guys add a general warning to anyone tabbing stats that ALL moonsigns now have a +10% to a stat regardless of stat days? I only ask because I've noticed some of the paste pages have stat ranges that are approximately 10% beyond the actual range of the items. Thanks! --Lord Kes 12:36, 23 September 2011 (CEST)

Test Template In User Space

Thanks, Quietust! I don't know what you did - I'm still a total newbie when it comes to templates - but you fixed my test template, and for that I am grateful. --Wrldwzrd89 23:43, 4 September 2011 (CEST)

Moving File:Wospicon.gif

The image at File:Wospicon.gif should be moved to File:Wosp.gif, since that's its name (and it can be found at /adventureimages/wosp.gif). Are you the right person to ask to do this? I could also just make the new page and submit the old one for deletion, but either way, there's something that needs mod action. Thanks! --Southwest 21:57, 15 August 2011 (CEST)

  • For reference, images cannot be renamed on MediaWiki - you have to delete them and reupload them using the correct name, which somebody else appears to have already done. --Quietust (t|c) 02:04, 16 August 2011 (CEST)
    • I learned something new today. Alright, thanks anyway! --Southwest 02:35, 16 August 2011 (CEST)


I had worded it because as far as the Bureau of Reincarnation and Pearly Gates are concerned, you get 11 karma for rescuing the king, and a bonus 12 or 26 for finishing it with that restriction in place. I was trying to keep the two separate, like they do in game.--Toffile 22:07, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Are the path restriction bonuses actually displayed on separate lines? If so, the Valhalla page should be updated to reflect this, because right now all it has is one line for freeing King Ralph in casual/normal/hardcore and one for discarding instant karma, nothing for the actual path involved. --Quietust (t|c) 01:07, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
    • When you go to the new Bureau of Reincarnation, it itemizes all of the bonuses you'll get. It will give a grand total at the end, but it shows that the pathed rewards and difficulty settings as additional bonuses with a baseline of 11 karma.--Toffile 01:27, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Since I finally reascended, here's how the new Bureau shows all your karma bonuses. --Toffile 20:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Another "atom" problem to work around

Could you do your work-around magic to create the page and data for Atomic Comic? I'm almost but not quite able to figure out how to get the post data submitted correctly. Closest I can come is that the wiki will say it lost the session data and show a preview of the edit. I don't really want to create "Atmic Comic" or something like that as a workaround, although as long as the "atom" issue remains there's little difference in doing so other than slightly more annoying linking. --Flargen 07:46, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Alright, I figured it out, after /hardcore pointed me to a firefox addon that should let me alter the form, and then I realized that this was a default feature of Opera as of several version numbers ago. Woo! It was still a bit round-about. Opera will auto-convert the %6f to an 'o' when put in the address bar, so had to go to IE first, save page source, attempt to submit edit with that, then alter the form on the resulting error-message preview and submit again. Hooray for triumphs over adversity! --Flargen 08:03, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

General wiki template question

I'm trying to set up some nested templates on another wiki, and I'm using the KoL wiki data pages as my guide. I see you created the category, so I was wondering if you could give me some advice.

Basically, I can't seem to use {{{{FULLPAGENAME}}}} to make a page call itself as a template. KoLwiki uses {{{{FULLPAGENAME}}|format=pagetype/meta}}. I'm not passing a format parameter (I have the relevant template hardcoded into my data page), so when I use{{ActualDataPageName}} on ActualDataPageName it works beautifully. But when I use {{{{FULLPAGENAME}}}} on ActualDataPageName , it just displays, as text "{{{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}".

Does this functionality require special extensions that a stock Mediawiki install doesn't have? I see that it uses some parser extensions, but perusing their pages didn't seem to indicate that they would affect templates like this.

Sorry that this isn't really KoL related. I appreciate your time! --Rocketyam 21:25, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Try using {{{{FULLPAGENAME}}|}} - 3 curly-braces make the wiki engine think it's dealing with a parameter rather than a template transclusion. --Quietust (t|c) 00:09, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
    • Doh! That was exactly the problem. Thanks a lot! The help is very much appreciated! --Rocketyam 13:42, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Only took about 4 months

  • I was wondering when someone noticed the museum typo I made.--Toffile 00:04, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Knob Goblin Image Changes

I don't know when it happened, I saw no announcement, but the in-game artwork for the knob goblins appears to have changed. Someone mentioned it in chat last week and I only now getting to make question of it. It seems like the whole area got new monster art? For example, the [Knob Goblin Very Mad Scientist]

Old Image: knobsci2.gif New Image: kg_verymadsci.gif I don't know how to correctly upload/change/link images. Or even if the change is significant enough to be noted in a history log somewhere? --Plater (t|c) 14:14, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

  • I have noticed other people here slowly replacing the images with new ones over the past couple of weeks. I think the last radio show had some comments about trying to make line width more consistent in game images. The people doing the updates of the images know how to add a history section, so I guess the artwork swap hasn't been deemed important enough by them. Personally, I'd like to see how images have changed over the years somewhere. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 18:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
    • You could just look at the history of the data pages and the image pages (in case the new image has the same name, such as manor.gif). --Flargen 19:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Plural Monsters / Area of Effect

I've been thumping my head into a wall trying to find any definitive guidelines on how to handle this info on the wiki, or where to find it. What little I've found seems to be quite scattered and not at all standardized. Sorry to post here, but I don't know where else to go, and would really appreciate making said info more visible / easier to track. If this isn't a good place to discuss it, please point me towards some place better. (I really have tried searching, I swear.) --StDoodle 01:45, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Randomizing part

Seems to work to me: {{Test2}}. Perhaps you hadn't purged? Or got bad luck? --Flargen 22:06, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Try using it more than once on the same page. --Quietust (t|c) 22:07, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
    • It was used 3 times there and was working fine. But your change to the examples shows it will only give a new part if you throw in different inputs. Curious. Didn't realize it would do that. --Flargen 22:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
      • And what you just did is even more amusing. So we could make {{part}} into a wrapper for some other template, with part just throwing in a dummy input. Go figure! --Flargen 22:12, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Bot Requests

If you would like to have a large number of page edits performed by QuietBot, then add a note here.


We just upgraded from Foxway to PhpTags, so can you change all instances of <foxway> and </foxway> to <phptag> and </phptag>? --Oneforfortytwo (talk) 01:12, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

  • I can only do that if I can get a full list of pages which use it, and the Search function does not give me such a list. --Quietust (t|c) 01:45, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
    • Sure it does. But there are only a few, and it does not seem to be just a drop-in replacement, so maybe better done manually anyway. --Fig bucket (talk) 03:24, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
      • All of these changes have been made, though for now they're still showing up in the search. Foxway is no more. Anyone wishing to use Foxway can get the same functionality out of the <phptag> tag.--caseyweederman (talk) 14:05, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Two Requests

On the Ascension page, I want to change the headers "One Time" and "Really, Really One Time" to "One-Time" and "Really, Really One-Time". However, a lot of pages link to these headers, so I was wondering if you could get QuietBot to change all instances of them to the hyphenated ones. You may have to turn-off case-sensitive search, since there may be links with an uncapitalized "ascension", for example. And the new links should be totally capitalized, else they won't work properly.

Also, can we change all instances of {{Unconfirmable}} to {{Rewrite}}? Per discussion, we have decided to phase out the former. --Oneforfortytwo (talk) 03:38, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

  • You mean {{Retired}} not {{Rewrite}} I think. --Fig bucket (talk) 10:55, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    • The One-Time links are in the process of being fixed, and I did the Unconfirmable->Retired change manually. --Quietust (t|c) 13:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
      • And it's done, though it looks like I forgot to fix the edit summaries (so it used the edit summary from the last script I wrote). --Quietust (t|c) 13:46, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Freddy Krueggerand


Thanks to Flargen, the item template has finally been brought up-to-date. I created new categories for both foods and boozes. Could you run QuietBot to update the category name on all food, beverage, and booze pages? Also, size parameters need to be added to nearly all food and beverage pages. And according to Flargen, he coded the template so that the size parameter now also works for boozes, so it may be worth converting that parameter on all booze pages, so that the potency parameter code can be removed and the template made more efficient.

In addition, all weapons pages need the code powertype=Damage| to be added to them, in order to convert the old power parameter into the new damage parameter.

P.S. - QuietBot failed to update the pages of boozes with negative item numbers last time around. Could you make sure that all foods, beverages, and boozes are covered if you have the time to set up and run it? --Oneforfortytwo (talk) 03:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I see several issues with this request:
  1. The categories "Food (By Fullness)", "Booze (By Drunkenness)", and "Spleentacular Items (By Spleen Damage)" are being automatically inserted by {{useitem}}, which means that any places it's being specified manually is probably redundant and should simply be removed.
  2. In order to add size parameters, I'll need a full list of every food item in the game along with its size - I might be able to extract it from {{useitem}}, but I'd rather not mess with that (given the problems I had when doing it with booze).
I've got a script set up, but I'd prefer clarifications on the above before I run it. --Quietust (t|c) 16:40, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
The second problem could probably be solved by using mafia data files. I can't guarantee it's got every item's size in it, but I would wager it has the majority there and correct. And hopefully in a single consistent format, seeing as there's already a program that has to parse the thing. As for the first, I don't see anything in the {{useitem}} code that autocats by fullness/drunkenness/spleen. I've wanted to add it there for a long time, but never got around to it; or past the issue of buckets of wine and tiered cakes, 0-size, or whatever else was weird in-game or on-wiki. It could probably be stored on the data page if it isn't already, and then either {{item}} or {{useitem}} could autocat, provided there aren't a lot of hard-to-code exceptional cases. --Flargen (talk) 14:56, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
{{useitem}} most definitely does categorize by size - just search for "autocat" to find it. It uses the "limiter" parameter, which might be worth putting in the data pages now that it's used by multiple templates. --Quietust (t|c) 01:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
So, to summarize, this is what the script will do:
  1. Remove the categories "Food (By Fullness)", "Booze (By Drunkenness)", and "Spleentacular Items (By Spleen Damage)" from all food/booze/spleen items
  2. For every weapon, if it contains "type=weapon" and does NOT contain "powertype=", insert "powertype=Damage|" immediately after the "power=" parameter
  3. Delete all duplicate instances of "potency=" (there are a few of them)
  4. Replace all instances of "potency=" with "size="
  5. Remove unnecessary whitespace.
A total of 1463 pages will be processed, though not all of them are guaranteed to be modified. If there are no objections, I will run this script tomorrow. --Quietust (t|c) 15:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Looks good. However, I think that you should use {{useitem}} to add in the size parameter for all food, beverage, and booze pages that do not currently have it, if possible. I know that problems occurred the last time you did something similar to this, but even if some pop up again, they shouldn't be too hard to fix. At any rate, it would take a much longer time to update all of the pages by hand. --Oneforfortytwo (talk) 21:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

potency vs limiter

since the data is already in the "limiter" field, could you get quietbot to add the "potency" field to booze items that need it? filling them in by hand is making me lose the will to live. many thanks. --Evilkolbot 14:01, 28 September 2012 (CEST)

My bot updated 165 pages, though I had to fix another 70 or so because of inconsistent formatting of template parameters. This is something else that really needs to be standardized in some way - all of the ones I do (i.e. pretty much all items and effects) use "parm=value|", but a bunch of them (and pretty much all combat data pages) use "|parm=value", and that makes it very annoying to write a bot that can handle both of them. --Quietust (t|c) 17:06, 28 September 2012 (CEST)
i have a feeling that the confusion stems from the fact that wiki markup tables have leading pipes as cell delimiters. would it be feasible or useful to bring both into line? a global replace of "\n|" to"|\n", perhaps with just a smidgeon of tidying at the edges? --Evilkolbot 19:21, 28 September 2012 (CEST)
A global replace of "\n|" with "|\n" would completely break all wiki markup tables. Doing it in the opposite direction would be much easier, but it doesn't change the fact that I don't like that format... --Quietust (t|c) 19:55, 28 September 2012 (CEST)

typo vs. sic

I have thought about this a bit, and I agree that "sic" is a better name for the template, instead of "typo." So, my Quietbot request is this - change all of the transclusions of the typo template to transclusions of the sic template (i.e. all instances of {{typo}} to {{sic}}). After that, I'll move the typo template to the sic template and fix the code to make it consistent again. --Oneforfortytwo 04:28, 24 September 2012 (CEST)

The script is ready, and it should update exactly 200 articles. I've posted a comment in Discussion in case anybody else wants to offer their opinions about this change - if there are no objections, I'll probably run it on the 30th (assuming I remember - if I don't, feel free to post an extra reminder here). --Quietust (t|c) 02:24, 26 September 2012 (CEST)

AoB skills

Apparently they are unpermable so can the bot hit them all?--Toffile 06:09, 17 February 2012 (CET)

Item Obtained From

I mentioned here that we seem to have accidentally standardized on a formatting error. Would it be possible to have your bot go through and fix this? Here is an example of switching from incorrect to correct formatting. Thanks!--Starwed 16:42, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Any thoughts on this? --Starwed 19:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I have a feeling it would be rather tricky to automatically locate this sort of formatting, and that it'd be even trickier to automatically fix it. Besides, the main issue is finding all of the affected pages, and a bot won't help with that unless I tell it to check every single item page. --Quietust (t|c) 14:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
If it's going to be fixed, all item pages will need to be checked anyway, so it seems worthwhile to have a bot do it. If it's just not worth fixing I'll grit my teeth and live with it.  :) --Starwed 15:37, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Familiar Equipment

Could you get Quitebot to change all the "Every 10th win with a <Familiar> equipped (Sometimes)" to "Every 5th win with a <Familiar> equipped (Sometimes)"--Icon315♕ (|) 23:13, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I think it's also now automatic, right? (The announcement included no longer has a chance to give lead necklaces when it could give better prizes instead.) So the (Sometimes) needs to go. --Starwed 01:48, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Image vs File namespace

Just FYI, with the version of Mediawiki we've been upgraded to, the "Image" namespace was renamed to "File", and the MW documentation recommends converting links from one to the other in case "Image" is deprecated down the road. -- sulfur 19:16, 3 August 2011 (CEST)

  • I'll throw my support behind this request. Having to manually change "[[Image:" to "[[File: is rather time-consuming. It'll be easier if QuietBot could do the work instead, although this time, case-insensitive replace should be used from the get-go. --Oneforfortytwo 23:46, 8 October 2012 (CEST)
    • How exactly would you propose getting a full list of every page that still uses "Image:" instead of "File:"? Because I already tried last year (immediately after the above request was posted) and the Search function proved to be largely worthless. I ended up manually fixing all of the templates I could think of along with a decent number of article pages, leaving talk pages and user pages for later, namely right now - since it takes longer to actually find the pages that require fixing than it does to actually fix them, it's not really worth using a bot. --Quietust (t|c) 02:46, 9 October 2012 (CEST)


So the um. How do I put this nicely. Fresh newbie decided to remake Mom2, not updating Mom. Fix this, please. — Cool12309 (talk) 01:50, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Standardizing of Monster Data pages

These are seriously unstandardized. I think we need to include all parameters even if nothing is in them (such as no quest items), just with a "none" tag. Init needs to be "always" or "never" where needed. A bot needs to go through them and update with the attack, defense, HP, init, phylum, and elemental alignment from Manuel. The parameters themselves should be alphabetized. So for the bot, that'd mean getting all the data from all monsters, updating with Manuel where needed, and fixing parameters (with nohit at attack+10, unless it scales). I vote we wait a week for any changes that feel needed before you could go ahead and do this? — Cool12309 (talk) 11:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)