User talk:Someone Else

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I liked whoever-it-was for putting something informal on this wiki. What's wrong with saying that a joke is funny for people with the background to understand it? And for providing information on a game like Kingdom of Loathing we need to be formal? All the other pages are filled with advice, and sometimes jokes. It's important to be clear and straightforward, sure. And on wikipedia it's important to be formal in tone, but here it's more important to be friendly, and maybe sometimes funny. Lotusduck 14:46, 3 May 2006 (CDT)

Hm. Yes. I know that it's less important on this wiki than it is on the bigger ones, but for some reason, seeing "Trust me. I know what I'm talking about." in one of the pages puts me off. Sorry.--Someone Else 01:57, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

  • don't apologise. this shouldn't be a forum for people to exercise their comedic talents. if someone wants to write jokes let them go set up their own website for that purpose. our purpose here is almost journalistic, and dryness of the prose should reflect that. --Evilkolbot 02:10, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

Re: "learn grammar"... Not everyone is from an English-speaking country. I, for example, am not. I do my best to use proper grammar and spelling, but probably sometimes fail. I do however appreciate that people from all over the world make an effort and do their best to update a wiki in a foreign (to them) laguage. I think you shouldn't shout "arrgh" quite as loud, that's just harsh. --NewZorkBat 13:39, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

Re:NewZorkBat: All right... Sorry. I've just had a bad day, and I tend to take it out on others at times. I'll not do it in the future, or at least do it much less harshly.--Someone Else 15:12, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

  • In my experience, it's primarily Americans who misuse its/it's (possibly a sign of our deteriorating system of education) - people learning English as a second language tend to be more careful when learning it and avoid making those sorts of mistakes. --Quietust 16:17, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
    • Well, I'm neither American nor foreign to the English language. I come from England.--Someone Else 16:26, 12 May 2006 (CDT)


  • i think what was meant was that if you have a meat maid you can upgrade it to a clockwork maid if you have one. you can't use a second maid of the same kind, nor can you downgrade from clockwork to meat. --Evilkolbot 03:19, 14 May 2006 (CDT)
    • Maybe it should be worded better on the page then...--Someone Else 03:28, 14 May 2006 (CDT)


  • barf! is legitimate, as is pow! or do you have something against them? any luck with randomising these, btw? --Evilkolbot 06:08, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

Barf and pow is when YOU successfully hit the MONSTER. Not vice verca.--Someone Else 13:48, 21 May 2006 (CDT)

You're welcome

No problem, happy to help! --Ricket 17:37, 13 May 2006 (CDT)


Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch. Every third comment complaining about the new layout is yours. Congratulations.

I won't try to justify, explain, or persuade here on your namespace. That's more of a public thing. I won't complain about you personally out in the Talk:Main_Page, either. That belongs right here, and consider it done.

Jerk. --Thræryn 17:43, 30 May 2006 (CDT)

And you think doing this to the skin without even testing isn't jerkish? I'm just extremely pissed off that this has happened. I'll calm down tomorrow. Sorry.--Someone Else 17:47, 30 May 2006 (CDT)

  • There was a test template made so that the change could be shown to Jinya for her approval. And you know what? It looked just fine to both me and her. Still does. --Thræryn 18:02, 30 May 2006 (CDT)
  • Right. It's tomorrow. And yes, I have calmed down. Sorry for being all jerklike, but there was something that bugged me and it still bugs me. People who are used to the default MediaWiki layout of wikis are going to be really uncomfortable editing this, me included. I just want to ask one question: Why did you REPLACE the old skin instead of ADDING a new one? Sorry again, and thanks. --Someone Else 01:27, 31 May 2006 (CDT)


  • horrible grammar? that really hurt. it was clumsy at worst. --Evilkolbot 17:19, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

Oh. Sorry. If anything, I called mine horrible too, if you read too far into it. I've got to work on being slightly more polite. Ack. Sorry.--Someone Else 17:21, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

    • no offense taken. i should have read it over myself. and been less rude about radiohead fans. oh well. --Evilkolbot 17:23, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


Hey there, I am testing to see how user notification of messages works. Can you message me back?--SomeStranger (T | C) 17:37, 30 May 2006 (CDT)


You don't need to put "element=None" in all of the combat entries anymore - I've fixed it so leaving it out no longer results in a gap. --Quietust 15:21, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

Hm. Okay. But I think it might look a little neater if it did say it had no element, because: A- I'm a perfectionist. B- It makes it looks like we know there's no element and not just we forgot to put one. C- I have too much spare time. --Someone Else 15:23, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

.... I just reread what I said and it makes no sense. Serves me right for being half-asleep. There is no need to add the element=none thing. Sorry. Blah. --Someone Else 15:31, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

  • After you are done with all the templates then I will remove the conditional element line (Make it so that it always shows) and have it default to "None". I don't want to do that before it is added to all the ones that do have an element because it will make monsters that do have an element show up as none.--SomeStranger (t|c) 15:55, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

Ok, I think you can make it default to none, because I'm not sure there are any more monsters that are of elements. Stuff like vampire bats and furry giants might do elemental damage, but if they're not the actual element themselves (with the pentagram thingy) then it doesn't count. --Someone Else 16:11, 28 June 2006 (CDT) WAIT NEVERMIND -- FORGOT THE HIPPIES!

Ok... now I'm ready. I think. --Me

see: Talk:Wad of Crovacite --Evilkolbot 06:59, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

No, I meant that the page was written like he smashed loads of custom items. One, he's not smashed his yet, and two, it will only be one when he has. --Someone Else 08:26, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

  • does a blank white card count as custom? --Evilkolbot 06:30, 5 July 2006 (CDT)

Then it should say "A custom item" and specify the blank white card, instead of "Custom items", right? --Someone Else 09:07, 5 July 2006 (CDT)

Brushed off..

The period issue has been fixed. Hence, the move of Mr. Accessory Jr. and various others. I'll move it back, but if I'm wrong then oops, feel free to move it back ;)--Dehstil (t|c) 12:55, 5 July 2006 (CDT)

Unncecessary Comments

You said: Sorry, but why do you keep adding unnecessary comments to the wiki pages? --Someone Else 10:15, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

I don't add unnecessary comments. I only add comments if it takes me several clicks to find out something that should have been obvious when I initially saw it. So I'm trying to help the next gal/guy not have to do all those unnecessary clicks to find out something that should have been detailed at that point.--Bcent1234 10:50, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

You asked why I added to the Sorceress's Barnacle the links to Barrnacles. Because It took a lot of effort to find that link and it should have been on that page to begin with, since the Sorceress's Barnacle is a Familiar and it is a Barrnacle.

Nethack screenshot

An explanation regarding the door colors I put in: in MS-DOS and Windows 9x, the 16 colors in plain text mode are chosen by the video card and are all 6-bit RGB (i.e. 2 bits each of red, green, and blue) and are what I have represented in the image on your user page; in Windows NT (and 2000/XP/etc.), the colors are redefined by cmd.exe to be particular 24-bit RGB values which are different from the ones 99.9% of all video cards prefer to use. The "proper" colors, in order, are as follows: 0.0.0 (#000000), 0.0.170 (#0000AA), 0.170.0 (#00AA00), 0.170.170 (#00AAAA), 170.0.0 (#AA0000), 170.0.170 (#AA00AA), 170.85.0 (#AA5500), 170.170.170 (#AAAAAA), 85.85.85 (#555555), 85.85.255 (#5555FF), 85.255.85 (#55FF55), 85.255.255 (#55FFFF), 255.85.85 (#FF5555), 255.85.255 (#FF55FF), 255.255.85 (#FFFF55), and 255.255.255 (#FFFFFF). --Quietust 15:16, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

Hmm, well fair enough I suppose. Computers are weird. Thanks for helping me out here, too. I'm wiki-illiterate. Heh. --Someone Else 15:57, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

Campground and {{Click}}

Hey, you [[Talk:The Campground#{{click}}|mentioned]] that you had tried to do the click template on the campground. I attempted it, too. I got past the part where you got stuck, with the "half-size" images, but for some reason, the flowers and fences like to stack on top of each other instead of showing up in a row. Take a look here if you wanna. --Alpaca (T/C) 18:01, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

Clicking Teeth

How come you didn't like the "Once your teeth stop clicking like castinets" on the Manor page? We have little bits of humor sprinkled throughout the Wiki, so it's not out of place. --Gymnosophist 19:13, 24 September 2006 (CDT)

Evilkolbot summed it up pretty nicely just further up this very talk page:

don't apologise. this shouldn't be a forum for people to exercise their comedic talents. if someone wants to write jokes let them go set up their own website for that purpose. our purpose here is almost journalistic, and dryness of the prose should reflect that. --Evilkolbot 02:10, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

--Someone Else 04:29, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

  • Yes, but this is just an opinion, not Wiki policy. As I said, there are little bits of humor sprinkled throughout the Wiki. Personally, the concept that a site about KoL, a game which is all about humor, should be humorless is sort of ridiculous. I'll be reinstating the clicking teeth. If you still feel that the use of humor is misplaced on the Wiki, please bring it up in discussion. Thanks. --Gymnosophist 07:28, 25 September 2006 (CDT)